"Now what I'm doing is, of course, arguing that yes, a forest, a wild area is a beautiful place, yes it's a nice place; yes it's something we like to have like we have good paintings on the wall or pretty clothes to wear. But in addition to being nice, it's actually an economically reasonable part of the fabric of our society itself.
"So that when you talk about hiring a commission to plan how a country should develop, or how a state should develop, or how a county should develop, you of course would invite the people who deal with highways; you would of course invite the people who deal with health services; you of course would invite the people who deal with telecommunications. Well, also the people who deal with the wildland areas should be right there at the same table discussing the integration of their piece of land use with all these other pieces of land use that society deals with all the time.
"And the outcome of this is that if you start thinking that way, suddenly you think of doing a lot of things with wildland areas that you perhaps wouldn't have thought of doing with them before. Because before, you think of them-of a wild area, as they say-a preserved thing, a conserve, a thing you set aside. And then society runs along over here. But in fact, if you bring them to the table with it, then you can look at the goods and services it produces as part of the whole set of goods that the society has.
"And you can also often discover that there are many things that society can do to make life easier for that wildland area to survive. Rather than having it be sort of the 'outcast' pounding at the door to get in, bring them in, make them part of the planning process. This applies to forest, it applies to wildlife, it applies to birds, it applies to the production of water, storage of carbon, biodiversity prospecting.
"And frankly, the way I put it, is that we've had 10,000+ years figuring out how to make the agricultural countryside work, we're still in kindergarten when it comes to wildland area."